Posts by FatFreek 2005

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Federal prisoner, child of active JW, could be my grandchild?

by FatFreek 2005 in

i recently learned of the possibility that my son has a love child and that this child is in prison.

the child was born in the early 80s.

i learned that my ex-wife and her parents may have paid a large sum of money to the young mother (and others) in order to keep this scandal out of the press and perhaps out of earshot of the local elders.

FatFreek 2005

"You have a right to know. Call your son. He may lie to you. Remind him he is an "active JW" and must be truthful in all things."

I'll have to think about that one.

You say you are still on good terms with your ex-in laws, I would call them up and ask them if they are aware of this, I suspect they would know.

As I mention above, "My ex in laws with whom I remained close over all these years" are the ones that made me aware of this situation some 11 years ago. At the time I had the feeling that they were bent at fostering dirty gossip. I just recently saw a bit of evidence that nudges me to explore more closely.

"If you get the feeling that they are aware of this child call your son up and confront him with this news, this is a grandchild that has been deprived the love of a grandparent."

You make a good point.

"Furthermore, your son needs a nice moral slap in the face for his holier then thou attitude for shunning you all these years while he may have a skeleton in his closet."

Another good point. He effectively shunned me, then his own son for a third of a century.

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Federal prisoner, child of active JW, could be my grandchild?

by FatFreek 2005 in

i recently learned of the possibility that my son has a love child and that this child is in prison.

the child was born in the early 80s.

i learned that my ex-wife and her parents may have paid a large sum of money to the young mother (and others) in order to keep this scandal out of the press and perhaps out of earshot of the local elders.

FatFreek 2005

My ex in laws with whom I remained close over all these years

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Federal prisoner, child of active JW, could be my grandchild?

by FatFreek 2005 in

i recently learned of the possibility that my son has a love child and that this child is in prison.

the child was born in the early 80s.

i learned that my ex-wife and her parents may have paid a large sum of money to the young mother (and others) in order to keep this scandal out of the press and perhaps out of earshot of the local elders.

FatFreek 2005

While I think I know her name and that of her family from a distant state, I've never met the mother or her family. I'm not really comfortable about contacting them in view of the possibility they may be under some type of gag order.

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Federal prisoner, child of active JW, could be my grandchild?

by FatFreek 2005 in

i recently learned of the possibility that my son has a love child and that this child is in prison.

the child was born in the early 80s.

i learned that my ex-wife and her parents may have paid a large sum of money to the young mother (and others) in order to keep this scandal out of the press and perhaps out of earshot of the local elders.

FatFreek 2005

I recently learned of the possibility that my son has a love child and that this child is in prison. The child was born in the early 80s. I learned that my ex-wife and her parents may have paid a large sum of money to the young mother (and others) in order to keep this scandal out of the press and perhaps out of earshot of the local elders. Let's keep the org clean by all means. Also to keep my son's name off county's birth records.
I also just learned of this love child's JailMail.net page where he describes himself, his term of incarceration, his interests -- also his appeal to anyone who wishes to communicate with him.
Before I attempt that (out of pure curiosity) I wonder how I should go about this. I'd like to somehow verify this child's lineage (DNA, RNA?) and I realize that would be no small expense. Call my son who as an active JW has been shunning me since the early 80s? Call his mother(my ex), also an active JW. This action would, at the very least, reveal that I know about their dirty secret?
Any tips?

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Danish crime series begins with apparent shunning of a young mother, returning home after two decades

by FatFreek 2005 in

i began watching a well-reviewed crime series -- dicte -- in streaming netflix last night.

although it is compelling, the audio was in danish and was close-captioned into english.

i didn't complete the first episode because watching cc is too laborious for me.

FatFreek 2005

Thanks, Virran, for your first-hand observation. Hmm ... I might change my mind on watching. After all, I watch and love many of the BBC series and I always use CC for those because there are some phrases and words that I need a bit of help on.

Len

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Danish crime series begins with apparent shunning of a young mother, returning home after two decades

by FatFreek 2005 in

i began watching a well-reviewed crime series -- dicte -- in streaming netflix last night.

although it is compelling, the audio was in danish and was close-captioned into english.

i didn't complete the first episode because watching cc is too laborious for me.

FatFreek 2005

I began watching a well-reviewed crime series -- dicte -- in streaming Netflix last night. Although it is compelling, the audio was in Danish and was close-captioned into English. I didn't complete the first episode because watching cc is too laborious for me. I thought, however, that some here at our forum -- especially those who understand Danish -- would probably enjoy it.
The series opens without dialog in a scene from a hospital room where a young woman gives birth while her un approving mother looks on. In short time the child is wrested from the mother's arms and taken away. The next scene shows this mother years later approaching what appears to be a Kingdom Hall where a stream of people are entering, this woman calling out to an older couple, addressing the woman as "mother" (in Danish). The couple turns to her, but quickly turn away in true shunning fashion and enter the building and latching the door. The young woman, dicte, emotionally torn, is shown tearing off some of the lettering on the building's outside -- lettering which translates into Jehovah's Witnesses.
Dicte, now a professional journalist and an impulsive, temperamental and the loving mother of Rose, her daughter, who is almost 18, grew up in a community of Jehovah's witnesses, but ran away from home at the age of 16 after being forced to give away her newborn son for adoption. Today her existence is ignored by her parents whose religious upbringing has had huge influence on Dicte.
As more sides to Dicte are being gradually revealed, a completely different aspect transpires to have had a massive effect on her life – the son she was forced give away for adoption. When Dicte moves from Copenhagen and returns to her hometown Aarhus, it is not only to get as far away from her ex-husband as possible. She is also driven by the wish to find her son.
Dicte Svendsen is played by Iben Hjejle who graduated from The Danish National School of Performing Arts in 1996.
The above is a loose paraphrasing of a document written by Dorte W Høgh and Ida Maria Ryén in 'Dagbladet', Tuesday 18th December 2012. The paper was especially made for the Danish premiere of Dicte.
It appears on the internet at http://www.visitaarhus.com/ln-int/aarhus/who-dicte
Len miller

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The Largest BOE File Ever Compiled!

by Atlantis in

watchtower body of elder letters:.. this pdf file is the largest boe file ever compiled.

it has been downloaded at least 30 times with no virus issues.

the file is from 1905 to 2015 updated, and includes all the elder manuals from 1961 to 2010 at the bottom of the bookmarks.

FatFreek 2005

To clarify, these are LETTERS to the BOEs, not a listing of the elders. (If I'm missing something here, please correct me.)

Page numbers start at 10511 in my Adobe reader.

Len

ps: Great work, Petra!

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CO has been coming to my door. Would like 1 or 2 solid and easy arguments.

by The Laser Viking in

i am 6th generation.

i have been out for a few years.. back story on the situation:.

i had a co come by while going door-to-door in the neighborhood.

FatFreek 2005

The great Watchtower contradiction is a simple 11 minute read that exposes the largest series of flip flop teachings ever published by the Watchtower Society.

Len

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Freedom, Free speech, Censorship, Religion and Tight Pants

by Simon in

you would need to be living in a cave to not be aware of the turmoil happening in the world with groups like isis murdering cartoonists over their depiction of their prophet and sides being taken to either attack religion or to defend the right to practise it.. the battle lines appear to be drawn between those who believe in freedom and those who would see it curtailed to be replaced with their own version of what is and isnt acceptable.

most people want freedom and free speech but when choosing it are perhaps unconsciously judging it to only apply to things that they themselves believe in.. we need to be crystal clear what freedom and free speech were really talking about.

freedom itself is usually easier to define as there are some fundamental principles: you should be allowed to do what you want as long as you are not harming others.

FatFreek 2005

Simon, that was a great and well considered essay.

Len

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Need help compiling a list of the latest changes in doctrine and practices

by jwfacts in

i have former jws looking at jwfacts.com in order to update themselves with what is happening with the religion, so that they can better understand their jw family.

it thought it would help if there was a page devoted to what has changed since 2000. .

2012 oct release of jw.org - jws encouraged to download their own publications and use ipads at meetings and field service.

FatFreek 2005

That recent Anti masturbation video brings Watchtower teaching tactics to climactic high.. I can't wait to see their alleged new video -- the one that opposes oral sex.